2022 Ford F150 Lightning vs 2022 Tesla CyberTruck
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CoyoteJim
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Right now for a lot of people - even Tesla fans who love the look of the Cybertruck - Ford has Tesla beat with V2H.
For me, I would much rather have a real truck than one that looks like a mars-rover...
what's v2h
My lease ends next year, so I am evaluating F150 Lighening/CT/ and Mach E. Here are my pro's and cons for each:
F150 Lightning
Pros:
Interior - Roomy and adequate- door pockets - mid console - glove compartment
battery protected with Frame with skid plates
Frunk
Dual moon roof
Power outlets and 10K home battery
Apple car integration
Blue Cruise
7500 tax credit and possibly (not right now) X PLAN
Cons:
-Looks like an f150
Cybertruck
Pros:
Steel finish
bulletproof
the vault
Air Suspension
FSD
Cons:
-Interior plain, lack of interior storage, no door pockets
-Tesla reputation for shodiness
-No/small? frunk
-7000 for FSD and no 7500 tax credit (+15K)
-Battery pack seems only protected by same material as exterior of truck
-No apple integration
Mach-e
Pros:
7500 tax credit
Not as big as a pickup - will fit in garage
Cool factor
X-plan confirmed
Cons:
-interior not as roomy as a pickup
-No moon roof only glass roof
-low ground clearance
- lack of armored battery pack?
I've read a few accounts of Tesla owners where road debris penetrated the battery pack - necessitating an expensive battery pack replacement - to clarify my focus on that...
F150 Lightning
Pros:
Interior - Roomy and adequate- door pockets - mid console - glove compartment
battery protected with Frame with skid plates
Frunk
Dual moon roof
Power outlets and 10K home battery
Apple car integration
Blue Cruise
7500 tax credit and possibly (not right now) X PLAN
Cons:
-Looks like an f150
Cybertruck
Pros:
Steel finish
bulletproof
the vault
Air Suspension
FSD
Cons:
-Interior plain, lack of interior storage, no door pockets
-Tesla reputation for shodiness
-No/small? frunk
-7000 for FSD and no 7500 tax credit (+15K)
-Battery pack seems only protected by same material as exterior of truck
-No apple integration
Mach-e
Pros:
7500 tax credit
Not as big as a pickup - will fit in garage
Cool factor
X-plan confirmed
Cons:
-interior not as roomy as a pickup
-No moon roof only glass roof
-low ground clearance
- lack of armored battery pack?
I've read a few accounts of Tesla owners where road debris penetrated the battery pack - necessitating an expensive battery pack replacement - to clarify my focus on that...
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Nice pros and cons list, thanks for sharing! I'm also considering these same vehicles and have a deposit down on a Cyber Truck. The new F150 Lightning is tempting and is definitely looking better and better the more I research it.
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It's Blue Cruise vs FSD, wouldnt it be?
Full L5 autonomous driving (3-5 years? minimum in my opinion) is so far off, its not a consideration for me at all
I know it's not fully autonomous now, but Tesla's Autopilot has to be much more advanced than Ford's Blue Cruise correct? I would think that would carry some weight for some who are trying to decide between the two?
Presently, both Blue Cruise and FSD are technically SAE Level 2
Who is to say when Tesla or Ford is going to achieve L3 (let alone full level 5)? Will it simply be a software update or hardware to get to Levels 3/4/5? Way too much uncertainty to pin my purchase decision on this.
Who is to say when Tesla or Ford is going to achieve L3 (let alone full level 5)? Will it simply be a software update or hardware to get to Levels 3/4/5? Way too much uncertainty to pin my purchase decision on this.
Here's a good article that talks about the differences between autonomous systems.
The global automotive scene is in the midst of a paradigm shift. Electric motors are replacing internal combustion power, and advanced technology is literally taking control of automobiles. We are witnessing the birth of autonomous mainstream transportation, but it's not quite ready for prime time both in terms of development and regulation. However, some systems with limited self-drive capability are available for consumers to buy right now.
Ford is the latest automaker to step into this realm with its BlueCruise system, promising self-drive features similar to its crosstown rival, General Motors. Meanwhile, both Detroit brands are competing with Tesla, the company that wowed the world with its Autopilot system back in 2014. Everyone else has been playing catch-up since then, which begs the obvious question. Have Ford and GM caught up?
Ford's curiously named BlueCruise is the latest tech to hit the market. As such, details are still slim and we don't yet know how much Ford will charge after the initial three-year subscription is up.
In addition to the $600 option (that Ford lists as software-specific), BlueCruise requires the Co-Pilot 360 Active 2.0 package on the F-150, which is $1,595 all total (including the $600 software cost). For select trims on the Mustang Mach-E, it's part of a $3,200 package. For now, Ford says BlueCruise is only available with the Mach-E and F-150.
BlueCruise will use a driver-facing camera to make sure you're paying attention while the system is operating. It will also let you drive completely hands-free while it's activated.
Starting as a feature exclusive to Cadillac, Super Cruise is now offered on the Chevrolet Bolt EUV, though it's not the advanced Super Cruise system with lane-change functionality. As for Caddy, it's currently available on the CT4 and CT5 sedans, as well as the Escalade.
Like BlueCruise, Super Cruise relies on a driver-facing camera to ensure you're paying attention while it's active. It will also allow you to drive without any hands on the wheel.
Every Tesla comes standard with Autopilot, offering Level 2 autonomous capability that isn't limited to specific stretches of highway. Additionally, Tesla offers features like summon mode, which slowly brings the car to the driver. Beyond that, Tesla's Full Self Drive (FSD) mode currently opens self-drive capability to city streets, offers point-to-point functionality with Navigate on Autopilot, and has an enhanced summon mode where the car can drive itself from a parking spot to meet you in front of a store. FSD is still in development, however, and the full beta that can navigate itself anywhere is only available to a small number of Tesla owners at this time.
Regardless of the system or the location, Tesla requires a hand on the wheel at all times. The steering wheel has a force sensor that can tell if your hand's on the wheel, and if it's absent for too long, Autopilot will alert the driver to reengage and eventually stop the car if that doesn't happen. There is no other driver-monitoring tech, particularly no cameras that monitor the driver's eyes. There is a driver-facing camera inside all Teslas, but the company currently does not use it for this purpose.
www.motor1.com
The Level 2 autonomous systems from Ford, GM, and Tesla aren't created equal.
Update: Clarified Auto Lane Change functionality for Tesla Autopilot system.The global automotive scene is in the midst of a paradigm shift. Electric motors are replacing internal combustion power, and advanced technology is literally taking control of automobiles. We are witnessing the birth of autonomous mainstream transportation, but it's not quite ready for prime time both in terms of development and regulation. However, some systems with limited self-drive capability are available for consumers to buy right now.
Ford is the latest automaker to step into this realm with its BlueCruise system, promising self-drive features similar to its crosstown rival, General Motors. Meanwhile, both Detroit brands are competing with Tesla, the company that wowed the world with its Autopilot system back in 2014. Everyone else has been playing catch-up since then, which begs the obvious question. Have Ford and GM caught up?
| System | Hardware | Use Location | Auto Lane Change | Driver Monitoring | Hands-Free Capability | Cost |
| Ford BlueCruise | External cameras, radar | 100,000 miles of approved highways in North America | N/A | Driver-focused camera | Yes | $600 one-time software fee,* monthly subscription after three years |
| GM Super Cruise | External cameras, ultrasonic sensors, radar, lidar, GPS data | 200,000 miles of approved highways in North America | Yes (enhanced Super Cruise only) | Driver-focused camera | Yes | $2,500 one-time fee, $25 monthly subscription after three years ($15 with OnStar subscription) |
| Tesla Autopilot | External cameras, ultrasonic sensors, radar (slated for removal on future models) | Any major highway (FSD currently allows limited use on city streets in certain situations) | Yes (with FSD upgrade only) | Force sensors in steering wheel | No | $0 - standard on all Tesla models (FSD with more advanced features costs $10,000) |
Ford BlueCruise
Ford's curiously named BlueCruise is the latest tech to hit the market. As such, details are still slim and we don't yet know how much Ford will charge after the initial three-year subscription is up.
In addition to the $600 option (that Ford lists as software-specific), BlueCruise requires the Co-Pilot 360 Active 2.0 package on the F-150, which is $1,595 all total (including the $600 software cost). For select trims on the Mustang Mach-E, it's part of a $3,200 package. For now, Ford says BlueCruise is only available with the Mach-E and F-150.
BlueCruise will use a driver-facing camera to make sure you're paying attention while the system is operating. It will also let you drive completely hands-free while it's activated.
GM Super Cruise
Starting as a feature exclusive to Cadillac, Super Cruise is now offered on the Chevrolet Bolt EUV, though it's not the advanced Super Cruise system with lane-change functionality. As for Caddy, it's currently available on the CT4 and CT5 sedans, as well as the Escalade.
Like BlueCruise, Super Cruise relies on a driver-facing camera to ensure you're paying attention while it's active. It will also allow you to drive without any hands on the wheel.
Tesla Autopilot
Every Tesla comes standard with Autopilot, offering Level 2 autonomous capability that isn't limited to specific stretches of highway. Additionally, Tesla offers features like summon mode, which slowly brings the car to the driver. Beyond that, Tesla's Full Self Drive (FSD) mode currently opens self-drive capability to city streets, offers point-to-point functionality with Navigate on Autopilot, and has an enhanced summon mode where the car can drive itself from a parking spot to meet you in front of a store. FSD is still in development, however, and the full beta that can navigate itself anywhere is only available to a small number of Tesla owners at this time.
Regardless of the system or the location, Tesla requires a hand on the wheel at all times. The steering wheel has a force sensor that can tell if your hand's on the wheel, and if it's absent for too long, Autopilot will alert the driver to reengage and eventually stop the car if that doesn't happen. There is no other driver-monitoring tech, particularly no cameras that monitor the driver's eyes. There is a driver-facing camera inside all Teslas, but the company currently does not use it for this purpose.
Autopilot Vs Super Cruise Vs BlueCruise: How Do They Compare?
Ford is entering the self-driving world with its BlueCruise system, so now is a good time to compare similar systems currently available.
www.motor1.com
Whitetiburon
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Here is my opinion. I am a Tesla owner. I was so disappointed when I saw the cybertruck. I just thought their first time at making a truck would have been a little more subtle. I understand it has great specs but it is hard to look at. Think how it's gonna look when you see these trucks all the same color and style driving around! I think a lot of owners are really going to get tired of it. When I got my tesla I was an early adopter and I would get tons of people stopping to ask me about my car but it gets old after awhile and the flash goes away. At some point you just want to have a good looking truck that you enjoy looking at. I know tesla has tons of pre-orders but I think that might change.
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I bet the the shops that specialize in vehicle wraps will be busy!
